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- SOUTH AFRICA, Page 42BUTHELEZI: "I Have Never Orchestrated Violence"
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- Q. Is South Africa descending into chaos?
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- A. The African National Congress has repeatedly said they
- were committed to negotiations. If they allow the matter to
- descend into chaos, then many of us will doubt that they were.
- They had already decided ((to quit talks with the government))
- before the Boipatong massacre because they could not have their
- own way.
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- Q. How would you describe your relations with the leaders of
- the A.N.C.?
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- A. Very torturous. I am very fond of Mandela, even now. I
- have always loved him. But there is a section within the A.N.C.
- that does not want their leader to have anything to do with me.
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- Q. Although Inkatha attends the talks, you personally
- boycott them. Why?
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- A. My party is represented. But the Zulu people have been
- excluded. We have already told President de Klerk that if
- certain decisions are reached without the Zulu people, then
- morally we are not obliged to comply with those things.
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- Q. The A.N.C. and survivors in Boipatong say the killings
- were carried out by Zulus who support Inkatha.
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- A. How do they know? Is every Zulu who lives in that hostel
- a member of Inkatha? Your question makes me despair. We are
- interested that the people who were responsible be tracked down
- and punished. I have never orchestrated violence, or taken one
- decision for anyone to be killed even on one occasion. The fact
- that members of Inkatha have been sucked into the violence is
- something that I regret.
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- Q. Why has the violence escalated since President de Klerk
- initiated reforms?
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- A. We, as black people, have not developed a culture of
- tolerance and democracy. Secondly, there was already an ongoing
- people's war. The A.N.C. urged young people to kill all those
- they considered traitors.
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- Q. Are Inkatha members inciting violence outside your
- control?
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- A. There is counterviolence, there is revenge violence,
- there is feud violence. They even commit pre-emptive violence.
- When they do those things, they are not orchestrated by me. When
- you get violence at such levels, you cannot blame the leaders.
- It is a civil war.
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- Q. Isn't it provocative for Inkatha sup porters to carry
- traditional weapons such as spears in public?
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- A. It is part of my culture and custom. You focus on the
- wrong thing. It is the violence that is wrong. You can kill
- people with a woman's shoe.
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- Q. Are you optimistic?
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- A. There have been wars in this country. We survived. All
- along I have believed that the people of South Africa will sit
- down and work out their destiny jointly. I believe that now. I
- am still optimistic.
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- By Scott MacLeod/Ulundi
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- Mangosuthu Buthelezi
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